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PostSubject: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:56 pm

Alot of groups are using these, as is our group, but just want to know what everyone really thinks about it?
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:44 pm

I think ours is defective. It never lights up like the ones on TAPS. lol!

Seriously, we have used it on numerous investigations and really have not had any results from it.

The one thing I want to do it get it modified with the switch, doing the coin thing is a pain in the butt.

I say for us we can take it or leave it.
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PostSubject: Yea...   Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:49 pm

I like the k-2, although it is very sensitive, we have gotten alot of spikes on it and answers to questions when we ask, so.... but cant use that strictly alone as evidence so lol I like it better when we do use the coin though instead of without and just holding it down.. We got a cell sensor awhile back too, so we have only used it a couple times and its only went off once, so cant wait to use that some more as well =)
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:39 pm

Wow these are the forums for me, P.R.O.U.D s first two emf meters we got are the cell sensor and the K-2 (weird) as far as the cell sensor goes it should be set on the high setting. As you all know it is made to pick up RF signals but i have done test with it and the CB radio or Cell phone has to be pretty close to the meter for it to go off.I think it is a promissing tool.The good thing about the two meters is the range of both, the cell sensor can detect high Frequencies mw/cm2 and elf up to 50 milligauss ,and the K-2 can go pretty low on the milligauss.

As far as the k-2 it should be mailed to me by tommorow (its snowing here so no ups :'()

Ive done some research on the k-2 and talk to many paranormal groups that use it and it is an effective meter.As far as using a coin i do suggest putting a toggle on it. With us be Investigators you want to elimanate the chance of a false positive. Down below are two links:
1.) How to properly add a toggle to the k-2 without damaging it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU8FzeZxK-E&feature=related

2.) A pretty creditable K-2 session
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6omshTbyxo

The thing i like about that session is that they are outside. If you do use a coin to depress the switch, over time it can cause that pressure switch to fail, I suggest adding the toggle. I hope this helped Smile
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:28 pm

Thanks for the info OfAk, I hope to get our K-2 modified soon.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:28 am

No problem Mike!

Just got it in today and we are thrilled! I just got done adding the toggle switch to it. Just so it is said this meter has got a bad rep due to its way of munipulation of the sensor switch, adding the toggle elimanates that completly.I ran some tests on the
k-11 today,you really have to come into this field with a skeptics mind, it is good to do tests on all the equipment you have first and get to know it.

Hand held radios,cb radios, cell phones etc can all effect this device from a certain distance.The k-11 will usally react only when those objects are keyed or (transmiting).Make sure during an Investigation that cell phones are off, as far as rules of P.R.O.U.D we encourage cell phones for emergency purposes.I think the k-11 serves its purpose and is an usefull paranormal tool (as long as you know how to use it). Its funny that i say that because we just got ours, but believe me when i say that i like to do research on emf meters (for the field alone).

Just remember the definition of Paranormal:
Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explaination.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:48 am

I too have had great results with our K-2. It just depends on if the spirits are wanting to communicate. Some times we have a whole investigation with no activity and others the K-2 will answer questions and show outstanding signs of intelligence. Like OfAK said though it is very sensitive if you use walki-talkies or if your cell phone goes off. I will definetly look at puting in a toggle switch on mine. Thx for that cite. It does get pretty annoying remembering to have spare change in your pocket to keep the button depressed.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:56 am

lol! Mike

Make sure you have some steady hands for soildering, the prongs you need to wire to are very close together. It was actually really easy to put a switch on it, it just took a little time and patients.

Make sure you look at the circuit board area first when figuring out your switch placement on the k-2.


I put mine on the right side almost exactally where the pressure switch ends
(or where you put the penny). On the board in that area there is a small spot where it looks like it is made for a little switch to be put there.

Make sure you get a small toggle because you only have so much room, i got mine from radio shack.

I hope this helps
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:42 am

Thanks, I was actually going to look at it tonight. Matt has a soildering kit so I might just wait for him and work on it together. The only thing Ive soildered is a couple of water pipes and I did a messy job at that, But hey I dont have any leaks. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:46 am

mike Im up right now if you have any questions feel free to get a hold of me b4 i go to bed .





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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:31 am

Sorry was busy doing something and didnt see you were on. Thanks though.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:10 am

I'm a little bugged out about something right now, as we all know the k-2 has got a bad reputation for its easy way of manipulation. Cb radios are a big cause of that, I obviously know that you guys would not try to fake things so my question is, when you got a response at those times was it unmistakeably paranormal?



I have seen so many people prove ways of manipulation with the k-2, i guess the only way to know for sure is if we get spikes (that are not explainable) on our investigations.


I have a specific way of doing things during our investigations that range anywhere from the rules during an evp session to make analysis easier so we know for sure the voice we heard is not coming from the investigator etc.

I have the same set of rules during the whole investigation as we walk around with emf detectors, cell phones are off no walkie talkies present, awareness if the location has cell towers nearby etc.

Please i need feedback, and maybe i should stay off youtube lol!
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:10 am

The things here i have copied and pasted from Grant Wilson blog, first is the jacket pulling controversy. Second is about the k-2





5. The Jacket Pull - This was an amazing paranormal event for me. Some people said that they think I faked it. I have absolutely no idea how I could have faked that. No clue. How could I make my jacket pull out? And why did it change temperature on the thermal when it was pulled out? Some people say that my hands were in my pocket, whatever that implies. My hands are often in my pockets, especially when it is freezing cold. Seriously, watch any episode. BUT, my hands were not in my pockets when this happened. At most, my right thumb was in my right, front pants pocket. I honestly thought I had snagged on something.

6. Technical Issues - doing a live show is hard enough. Doing it on an island where the RF signal bounces all over the water, and has a hard time going through thick concrete walls, makes it harder. It's live. There are going to be issues. That's part of the fun.

So, those are the points I would like to share. I had a great time despite the technical issues. People ALWAYS think we are faking stuff, and that is fine. To each their own. We LOVE it when people try explain away the paranormal claims. That is exactly what we are trying to do. But to explain it away by saying we are faking it, is just lame. A natural reaction, and one to be expected, but still lame. None of you really know us personally. If you did, then you would know how impossible that is.


What We Know About the K-II Meter
There is a lot of controversy about the K-II meter that we experiment with on our investigations. The K-II is the small meter with multi-colored lights that we use to detect magnetic fields and frequency.

We use this in two ways. The first, is as it was originally intended, to detect magnetic fields. If we find a high field, that field could be the cause of a false sense of paranormal activity.

The second way is to try and communicate with entities. It would seem, and we still aren't firm believers yet (if ever), that you can instruct an entity to approach the device and the device will respond to an entity which is in close proximity to the device. If this is true, then one could, in theory, have the entity approach the device and make the lights illuminate to indicate an affirmative answer to a question.

So, now that you know how we use it, here are the shortcomings of the device that we know of so far. We feel you should know these shortcomings so that you can not be fooled by it, and also that you all know that WE know these shortcomings.

1. The Power Button - The power button on the device requires the user to hold it down in order for the device to function. The problem with this is that, no matter how strong you are, after a while of holding the button, your thumb will start to fatigue. When this happens, the lights on the device will illuminate, giving a false reading.

We bypass this problem easily and inexpensively by shoving a coin in the switch, effectively wedging the power button on. We have also had some K-II's modified with a hard-wired toggle switch, this is great but some people don't trust a K-II that has been opened up and modified. So, we use both.

2. Cell Phones & Walkies - A little known fact about the K-II is that is also detects frequencies. A cell phone, or a walkie/two-way radio can set off the K-II as far as 20 feet away. This can easily fool people into thinking they are communicating with an entity when actually, their cell phone is looking for signal, or another investigator is trying to reach them on their walkie.

We avoid this by shutting off our cell phones and walkies during K-II sessions. Plus, with a little bit of experience, it is VERY easy to identify when the readings are caused by a cell phone or walkie. The device will continually flash very quickly when it is detecting a cell phone. It will spike similarly but not as intensely when it is a walkie. A small two-way radio can give false readings that are almost EXACTLY like those that are believed to be paranormal. So, PLEASE, be careful.

Added - 11/15/08: Also, if the K-II is placed near our wireless audio transmitters it will go off. Naturally, we avoid placing it near our packs. Usually, Arms length at pack level is enough. Once you venture above or below it, it doesn't set the K-II off.

3. The Green Light - When using the K-II, you find yourself staring at the green light waiting for some response. The problem here is that you spend the whole session staring at the light while potentially missing other paranormal activity.

Friends of ours have hard-wired a tiny speaker in the device that will emit a beep that repeats more frequently the higher the reading is. This is great because, your ears are able to pick up any reading, leaving your eyes to be more vigilant. It also allows you to record the whole event with just a digital recorder.

So, as of right now, we know that the device has its flaws as do ALL the devices we use. But we will continue to experiment and determine the best fit for this device in the field. I just wanted you all to know what we know, and that we are going to great lengths to ensure that we are NOT being fooled by the device.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:23 am

OfAk, that is a great read. Thanks for posting it.

We just investigated a place where we have been several times and have always had great results with the K-II, but this time I'm not sure if they just got tired of it or if they are more than likely refusing to answer us. The personal experiences were still active but we only had a few spikes that could not be explained on the K-II. So I guess it really is up to the spirits wanting to make contact if you believe in the K-II. One thing I guess it supports is the previous investigations by showing us that it is not a solid EMF or radio wave giving us the spikes that we recieved on past investigations.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:28 am

that is awesome Mike!
there is this guy on youtube that i just want to throat punch (forgive me Lord O:)
he trys to be a smart a** and says all the spikes come from RF from hand held radios. I just did a test this weekend and the range does not go that far 20 feet max (at least with the radios i have), plus you can tell if it is a radio as it is be keyed.

As far as cb radios like the truck drivers use Im not for sure yet.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:34 pm

The Grant quotes contained very good information!

As far as out group, we always (other than to check the wiring and possible sources of high EMF) use the K-II in conjunction with a voice recorder. In this way, the two devices keep each other in 'check'.

Neither are hand held when in use, either. We always set them both in a solid spot of the room, so that there is no 'false positives' from someones hand moving, or from being rubbed or bumped against ourselves.
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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:24 pm

Right, can never use just the k2 without another devise to back it up and yes, sitting on something, not being held is the best way to go with that

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PostSubject: Re: What Do You Think About The K-2 Meter?   Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:39 pm

"Friends of ours have hard-wired a tiny speaker in the device that will emit a beep that repeats more frequently the higher the reading is. This is great because, your ears are able to pick up any reading, leaving your eyes to be more vigilant. It also allows you to record the whole event with just a digital recorder."


The problem with using a tiny speaker is that most of them are electromagnets too, when they are activated, they can generate their own em field right inside the KII causing a feedback loop. Hopefully they have used a piezo type speaker that has no coil or doesn't emit a field of it's own. I discovered this while designing the beeper circuit that I put in my K II meters.
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